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		<title>By: save the rainforest</title>
		<link>http://commoncircle.net/2009/06/19/toxic-veganism-boycott-soy/comment-page-1/#comment-5417</link>
		<dc:creator>save the rainforest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and @ Jason...
the ocean is an oxygen generator but it is not the only one, and it certainly isn&#039;t the only significant. the amazon rainforest produces 30% of the world&#039;s oxygen, and we can&#039;t live with only 70% of our oxygen, especially as the population sky rockets. plus as the trees are slashed and burned massive amounts of co2 are released into the atmosphere which is extremely detrimental to air quality</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and @ Jason&#8230;<br />
the ocean is an oxygen generator but it is not the only one, and it certainly isn&#8217;t the only significant. the amazon rainforest produces 30% of the world&#8217;s oxygen, and we can&#8217;t live with only 70% of our oxygen, especially as the population sky rockets. plus as the trees are slashed and burned massive amounts of co2 are released into the atmosphere which is extremely detrimental to air quality</p>
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		<title>By: save the rainforest</title>
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		<dc:creator>save the rainforest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU!! saving the rainforest stopping deforestation is so important! eat brazil nuts, don&#039;t eat soy. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU!! saving the rainforest stopping deforestation is so important! eat brazil nuts, don&#8217;t eat soy. <img src='http://commoncircle.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: solar panels for sale</title>
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		<dc:creator>solar panels for sale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are certainly good points and like mentioned soy is not the miracle food it was once perceived. I think we need to get away from extremes on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are certainly good points and like mentioned soy is not the miracle food it was once perceived. I think we need to get away from extremes on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm

WRONG

Reading this S _ _ T
i can assume that you sir don&#039;t know nothing about ecology AND evermore about vegans
hint: SEARCH before post those kinda of things, 90% of soy gos to animalsfarm
amazon is not an oxigen generator! THE OCEAN IS (alga, seaweed)
take care</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm</p>
<p>WRONG</p>
<p>Reading this S _ _ T<br />
i can assume that you sir don&#8217;t know nothing about ecology AND evermore about vegans<br />
hint: SEARCH before post those kinda of things, 90% of soy gos to animalsfarm<br />
amazon is not an oxigen generator! THE OCEAN IS (alga, seaweed)<br />
take care</p>
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		<title>By: Coma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article. 

To attack any dietary group based on generalisations is folly. Poor choices are always going to have a negative impact, however the non-meat eating community has always been more vocal and articles like this help redress the balance. 

There should be more distinction when calling anyone who eats meat a &#039;meat eater&#039; since it&#039;s pretty rare to find anyone who lives solely on meat, though there are some who do with very few of the adverse side effects often bandied as a consequence of losing fruit and veg from the human diet. Conversely these groups rarely find themselves taking synthetic supplements to make up a short fall. This is especially true when organ meat is part of that diet. 

For anyone promoting world wide vegan eating as a solution to world famine, you need to look at the bigger picture. We&#039;re overpopulated because of socio-economic and political issues which aren&#039;t going to change because of a change in diet. Even if a worlwide vegan diet did solve the problem it would only be delaying it for long enough to reach the new limit to human population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article. </p>
<p>To attack any dietary group based on generalisations is folly. Poor choices are always going to have a negative impact, however the non-meat eating community has always been more vocal and articles like this help redress the balance. </p>
<p>There should be more distinction when calling anyone who eats meat a &#8216;meat eater&#8217; since it&#8217;s pretty rare to find anyone who lives solely on meat, though there are some who do with very few of the adverse side effects often bandied as a consequence of losing fruit and veg from the human diet. Conversely these groups rarely find themselves taking synthetic supplements to make up a short fall. This is especially true when organ meat is part of that diet. </p>
<p>For anyone promoting world wide vegan eating as a solution to world famine, you need to look at the bigger picture. We&#8217;re overpopulated because of socio-economic and political issues which aren&#8217;t going to change because of a change in diet. Even if a worlwide vegan diet did solve the problem it would only be delaying it for long enough to reach the new limit to human population.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Toxic Veganism: Boycott Soy, Food Blog -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: calico</title>
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		<dc:creator>calico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article is built on flawed logic. It&#039;s almost written as if you have the conclusion (you will eat meat no matter what, dammit) and everything was cobbled together to pretend to prove it.

Let me just take your first arguement about creating dustbowls by going vegan.  First problem is that if we all went vegan, we&#039;d get by on about 1/7th the land we need now.   What I think you don&#039;t understand is that to make a pound of meat, that food had to come from somewhere.   Cows do not photosynthesize their own food from sunlight, sorry.   Cows are inefficient.  To make a pound of beef, you&#039;re throwing about 6-8 lbs of grain into him.   If it&#039;s grass, multiply that even higher because grass contains so few calories per pound.  Skip the cows and eat the plants directly.  Voila!   Imagine where food is so plentiful, prices drop.  Imagine where we can afford to turn marginal land back into wild prairie or other sustainable use.  You&#039;ve also removed BILLIONS of tons of manure out of the watersheds and drinking wells (and yes, even grass-fed cows poop).   You&#039;ve removed one of the largest sources of greenhouse gasses; 28% of greenhouse gasses are from livestock in the US.    See the bigger picture?  You&#039;re freeing up land, cutting pollution, cutting fertilizer requirements...  and the side effect in you, the human, is your saturated fat intake drops so you&#039;re less likely to keel over from a heart attack.   

&quot;Meat&quot; and sustainable are mutually exclusive terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article is built on flawed logic. It&#8217;s almost written as if you have the conclusion (you will eat meat no matter what, dammit) and everything was cobbled together to pretend to prove it.</p>
<p>Let me just take your first arguement about creating dustbowls by going vegan.  First problem is that if we all went vegan, we&#8217;d get by on about 1/7th the land we need now.   What I think you don&#8217;t understand is that to make a pound of meat, that food had to come from somewhere.   Cows do not photosynthesize their own food from sunlight, sorry.   Cows are inefficient.  To make a pound of beef, you&#8217;re throwing about 6-8 lbs of grain into him.   If it&#8217;s grass, multiply that even higher because grass contains so few calories per pound.  Skip the cows and eat the plants directly.  Voila!   Imagine where food is so plentiful, prices drop.  Imagine where we can afford to turn marginal land back into wild prairie or other sustainable use.  You&#8217;ve also removed BILLIONS of tons of manure out of the watersheds and drinking wells (and yes, even grass-fed cows poop).   You&#8217;ve removed one of the largest sources of greenhouse gasses; 28% of greenhouse gasses are from livestock in the US.    See the bigger picture?  You&#8217;re freeing up land, cutting pollution, cutting fertilizer requirements&#8230;  and the side effect in you, the human, is your saturated fat intake drops so you&#8217;re less likely to keel over from a heart attack.   </p>
<p>&#8220;Meat&#8221; and sustainable are mutually exclusive terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dishonesty in this article is amazing. Even with all of the comments already showing exactly why the entire premise of your argument is wrong, you haven&#039;t even put up a disclaimer on the article. And before you say &quot;What do you mean&quot;, what I mean is that your argument is that vegans are destroying the planet by eating soy, even though the majority of soy is grown to feed animals. Not to mention that vegans are much more likely to buy non-GMO soy products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dishonesty in this article is amazing. Even with all of the comments already showing exactly why the entire premise of your argument is wrong, you haven&#8217;t even put up a disclaimer on the article. And before you say &#8220;What do you mean&#8221;, what I mean is that your argument is that vegans are destroying the planet by eating soy, even though the majority of soy is grown to feed animals. Not to mention that vegans are much more likely to buy non-GMO soy products.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, i have to say luci said pretty much what i was conjuring in my head when i read this. I have to reiterate one thing that drove me nuts to see written in this article. The amazon being cut down to grow soy that vegans eat is dead wrong. Most of the soy grown in the amazon is grown to feed livestock; it isn&#039;t even the same variety of soy that people eat (just like livestock corn is virtually inedible by humans).

I also still have a few things to say about free-range chicken. First of all free range usually doesn&#039;t mean much. To be certified as free range it often means that a company merely has to have a door open to a small fenced in area for the chickens to have access to for a few weeks in their adult lives prior to slaughter. Because access to the free range area comes later in life most chickens never utilize it because it is unfamiliar (ie perceived as dangerous to an animal). You are probably better off going local with foods because local farmers often run small operations and many are organic or free range but don&#039;t have the money to certify themselves as such (it&#039;s extremely expensive).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, i have to say luci said pretty much what i was conjuring in my head when i read this. I have to reiterate one thing that drove me nuts to see written in this article. The amazon being cut down to grow soy that vegans eat is dead wrong. Most of the soy grown in the amazon is grown to feed livestock; it isn&#8217;t even the same variety of soy that people eat (just like livestock corn is virtually inedible by humans).</p>
<p>I also still have a few things to say about free-range chicken. First of all free range usually doesn&#8217;t mean much. To be certified as free range it often means that a company merely has to have a door open to a small fenced in area for the chickens to have access to for a few weeks in their adult lives prior to slaughter. Because access to the free range area comes later in life most chickens never utilize it because it is unfamiliar (ie perceived as dangerous to an animal). You are probably better off going local with foods because local farmers often run small operations and many are organic or free range but don&#8217;t have the money to certify themselves as such (it&#8217;s extremely expensive).</p>
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		<title>By: luci</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI:  B12 only comes from one source and it is not meat.  It comes from bacteria.  B12 is found in meat because the bacteria thrives in the meat. However the bacteria form of B12 is so commonly added to cereals and other foods that the average american will not suffer from a deficiency, vegan or not. 

Secondly, take a biological anthropology course and tell me our teeth are made for eating meat.  Gorillas have the same basic teeth as us, only with massive canines... and they are herbivores!  You do not have teeth like a cat or a wolf, and if you DO you seriously need to see a dentist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI:  B12 only comes from one source and it is not meat.  It comes from bacteria.  B12 is found in meat because the bacteria thrives in the meat. However the bacteria form of B12 is so commonly added to cereals and other foods that the average american will not suffer from a deficiency, vegan or not. </p>
<p>Secondly, take a biological anthropology course and tell me our teeth are made for eating meat.  Gorillas have the same basic teeth as us, only with massive canines&#8230; and they are herbivores!  You do not have teeth like a cat or a wolf, and if you DO you seriously need to see a dentist.</p>
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